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Contradictory

Canadians knew Trudeau had been ill for a while and the words, "Trudeau is dead," had been expected for weeks.

The news shocked millions of Canadians

I seem to recall the latter being true but doesn't make it verifiable :-) DoubleBlue (Talk) 23:23, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I got that quote from Peter Mansbridge, chief correspondent at the CBC. You might want to get the video, "Pierre Elliott Trudeau, 1919-2000," because it gives you coverage of the passing and state funeral of the former prime minister. SNIyer12^(talk) 19:09, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The second quote or the first? As it stands now, only the first remains in the article, but as I stated, the second was how I recollected it but have no sources for either statement. Cheers, DoubleBlue (Talk) 21:40, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I'm talking about the second. -- SNIyer12^(talk) 23:22, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

You guys are doing great work improving this article. I see that SNIyer12 has a source for the statement that the death of Trudeau was a shock to millions and it is back in the article but now it is contradictory again to the statement above it that Canadians knew Trudeau had been ill for a while and the words, "Trudeau is dead," had been expected for weeks. How can that be fixed up? Is there a source for the belief that many or some (perhaps) Canadians expected his death? Or should that sentence be removed completely? DoubleBlue (Talk) 01:20, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The statement about Canadians knew that Trudeau had been ill for a while and the words, "Trudeau is dead," had been expected for weeks comes from CBC Online coverage [1] -- SNIyer12 19:28, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I read this differently. It is Peter Mansbridge's personal reflections of the reactions of those in the newsroom that day.

They were three words we had been expecting for a couple of weeks, but
when I heard them I was still shocked.

We had known he had been ill for some time, but only after his death was 
it made official that he'd been suffering from prostate cancer and
Parkinson's disease.

I don't see it as Canadians expected it for weeks. DoubleBlue (Talk) 22:05, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Removing the other events section

It is not necessary to tell people what other events were happening that day. This is not a narrative. It is not a news report. It is an article on Pierre Trudeau's death and what else happened that day has absolutely no bearing on him or his death. The only point to including that information is to "give the story context" but this isn't a "story". It's an encyclopedia article. Major difference. --Woohookitty 21:20, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Trivia

To me, much of this article reads like a collection of trivia rather than an encyclopedia article. Am I the only one who thinks so? HistoryBA 23:12, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It certianly was when I first came across it. It's really come a long way from the sentimentality that existed in its early stages. I think a lot of the trivia has been taken out. Some things do give it context, but I think this is supposed to be a disinterested account of of the death and funeral of Trudeau. It finally looks, for the most part, that way. Good work to those who have brought it from the cliche filled and sentimental article it started as. Benw 06:48, 14 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Reverting

SNIyer12, you are slowly trying to revert the changes I made. Please stop. I am watching this and the Reagan article like a hawk. There is no reason to link things more than one time in back to back paragraphs. Ever. It's unnecessary. --Woohookitty 20:32, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Unnecessary and contrary to Wikipedia guidelines. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoiding_common_mistakes HistoryBA 21:13, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Picture of Justin Trudeau

Is it appropriate to have a picture of Justin Trudeau breaking down on the page? Hallpriest9 (Talk|Archive) 16:59, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Necessary?

Maybe it's because I am not a Canadian, but I simply do not understand why someone's death deserves a separate page from their life. Why can't this be merged with the Pierre Trudeau article?Illinois2011 07:01, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is not unusual to have a separate article for the death and funeral of a notable person. Wikipedia has many examples of this. When a notable person dies, the public reaction tells volumes about how they view the legacy of the deceased. (A very dramatic example of this was the unexpected outpouring of grief over the death of Princess Diana in 1997. Contrast this with the very muted response by the Egyptian public to Anwar Sadat's death in 1981.) Mr. Trudeau's funeral is seen as a significant event in Canada for a long-serving (15 years) prime minister. Of course, if the article is "merged", others will complain that the Trudeau article is too long and should be returned to separate articles! If there is no burning desire and consensus to merge the articles, then I think they should stay as is.Que-Can 14:35, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is apparently senseless to consider merging this content into Pierre Trudeau. Both articles are very long, and full of notable content. Additionally, as noted above, it is not unusual to have a standalone article for the death and funeral of a noted politician, and Trudeau is probably the most recognizable politician in Canadian history, and one of the very few (maybe even the only one) to have gained some popularity outside of his country. --Angelo 20:33, 16 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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BetacommandBot (talk) 16:49, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

image PayingRespectsToTrudeau.jpg

I think this image is too small, should be moved to the upper right hand side of the article. I'm sure we can find a better image. NorthernThunder (talk) 01:08, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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